#MeToo Is For Men, And Also Not For Men–And That’s OK

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How many #metoo tweets and posts have you seen lately? A lot, I’m guessing. A damn, devastating lot. Which was the point, of course. The campaign was started to demonstrate just how many women suffer sexual violence. As more and more women come out of the woodwork, we are seeing that so, so many women have experienced sexual assault or harassment. Like all of us, pretty much.

How many #metoo tweets and posts have you seen from men? The campaign, which began in response to the Harvey Weinstein sexual assault scandal in Hollywood (edit: apparently it actually began something like a decade ago, but was revived because of this scandal), was created to highlight the male-dominant culture that allows “everyday sexual violence” to be a thing in the lives of women. It’s become an opportunity for people previously silent about having experienced sexual assault and harassment to open up about it and relieve themselves of the burden of secrecy. That includes men, right?

The issue of whether or not men should be part of the #metoo conversation has become hotly contested. In some ways it has usurped the initial conversation this was intended to start, which by all accounts ain’t cool. But since I talk a lot about sexual assault and recovery on this blog, I don’t feel guilty taking a moment to examine the issue. Should men be included in #metoo?

Is it OK for men to the use the metoo hashtag? Leave your thoughts in the comments on bettysbattleground.com

#MeToo Is Also For Men

We know that rape culture affects men too. Toxic masculinity is the result of rape culture. This shows up in effects like the inability to express deep feelings that many men and boys in the United States experience. The pressure to conform to a culture of assholery that says relationships are dumb and using women for sex is cool. Difficult, over-muscled body ideals. Machismo. Men are affected by rape culture.

Men are also raped. Men and boys can be raped by both men and women, too. I’m sure that the men who are tweeting #metoo are telling the truth. They too were violated. I’ve known men who were sexually assaulted. It really messes them up, just as rape and sexual assault messes women up. I don’t want to say that male survivors of sexual assault have it worse; sexual assault is horrific no matter what gender experiences it. But sexual assault challenges the male identity that has been crafted by our toxic society. Men who survive these experiences often feel emasculated. Women who survive sexual assault feel many terrible things, but feeling “less female” isn’t one I’ve heard before. Less sexual, yes–I experience that myself. Less female, definitely not. In this society, being female is, crushingly, tied in with being vulnerable to assault.

I remember hearing the story of a male sexual assault survivor who was raped as a child. He was so confused and dehumanized by the experience that he felt excluded from dreaming. Yes, you read that right. He no longer felt that he had the right to aspire to anything. Another survivor of rape, who is gay, feared telling anyone because he didn’t want them to attribute his sexuality to the trauma.

Men are raped. Men are traumatized by rape. Men are silenced from speaking about their rape. If this moment gives you, a man, the courage to share your truth, then yes, by all means, empower yourself.

#MeToo Is Also Not For Men

The men who are tweeting #metoo are referring to a single incident, or a series of related incidents (probably perpetrated by the same assailant). When women tweet #metoo, we are referring to many, many ongoing incidents.

Take me, for example. When I tweet #metoo, I am not only referring to the statutory rape, date rape, and sexual coercion I experienced at the hands of The Ex. I’m also talking about the man who grabbed my ass in the street when I was eight years old. I’m also talking about the popular boy at my middle school who teased me relentlessly for having small breasts. The stranger at my middle school who called me fat at a school dance and inspired me to become anorexic. The two boys who were my friends that grabbed my ass repeatedly without my permission as we walked home. I’m also talking about the guy who followed me across two buses into my high school when I was 14. The various men who solicited me for prostitution when I was a teenager. The homeless guy who invited me to smoke weed with him at age 16 and then grabbed my breasts when I was stoned. The guy who dated me for a couple weeks, only to reveal–disappointed–that he’d been with me because he wanted to have sex with a virgin. The men who gave me a ride home from the Rainbow Gathering when I was 16, and talked loudly about how fucking me in the ass would “break me.” I’m also talking about my heroin addicted friend who pulled his penis out while we waited for dope and demanded I assure him it was an okay size before putting it back in his pants; who another time attempted to sell me for drugs as though he could. I’m also talking about the friend of my tattoo artist who used to make jokes and watch me get tattoos while my breast or crotch were exposed, and that was supposed to be okay. I’m also talking about my tattoo artist, who had sex with me without disclosing his Hep C status. I’m also talking about the countless guys who have catcalled me from car windows, or told me to smile while walking down the street. The guy who called me a bitch for no reason in the grocery store two months ago. The homeless guy who sat next to me last summer, then told me how plump my breasts looked “for a mom.” I’m also talking about the co-worker who constantly joked about having sex with me, and then acted offended when I finally told him off–“I’m just kidding, jeez, I’m married.” The other guys in the elevator with us who said nothing. I’m also talking about the stranger who grabbed me in the dark street, dragged me down to the sidewalk and attempted to rape me. I’m also talking about my father, who didn’t believe me when I told him–because not believing is a form of violence too. I’m also talking about all the things I didn’t write here, but they are too common to recall. And all the things I didn’t write here, because they are too scary too recall. I’m also talking about the fact that some days I don’t go outside at all, not because I don’t want to be around people, like I say aloud, but because I don’t want to be female around people. I’m also talking about the fact that some days I want to kill myself just because I’m tired of being a woman in this world.

It is a terrible thing to be raped, no matter your gender. But it is a whole other thing to experience sexual violence as a daily experience. And for women–or people who present as women–that is the reality. That is what #metoo is about. That is why it’s not for men.

Don’t Be That Guy

We all derive courage from seeing others do the thing we are most afraid of. If this trend has given you the courage to speak your truth as a sexual assault survivor, then yes, please do it. But don’t change the conversation. Don’t make the whole damn thing about you. Understand, please, that while you deserve to heal, this hashtag is about more than a single experience, or a single person’s experience. It is about a collective experience that women around the globe are having, and you are not. You just are not.

Then there’s the issue that this is an awareness campaign that is kind of all about men. It’s about the experiences of women at the hands of men. If men truly want to be a part of #metoo, I invite you to do it! Yes, participate! Participate by not sexually harassing women. Participate by calling out other guys who do it. Participate by calling out other guys who do it even when there are not other women around. Let’s squash rape culture once and for all, shall we? If that sounds impossible, you’re not trying hard enough. Rape culture ends when you choose not to rape, or condone rape and other forms of sexual violence. If you think you’re not part of the problem, good sir, I guarantee you are.

A man who I knew as a boy got very offended by this campaign. He wrote “Me Too, and if I thought any of you cared, I’d tell you the details.” I understand the pain of feeling unheard, but in the comments below his post, he tried to claim the campaign was a power play. He tried to say that gendering this issue is wrong. The conversation grew uglier and uglier until he was literally deleting the words of women who gave cohesive counter-arguments and then saying no one was giving a good argument why he was wrong. He said that he was sick of seeing white men having to apologize for being white men. And then he said something that shocked me even more. In response to a comment I said about the complictness of people who call known abusers “alright guys,” he said, “Who called your abuser that? Certainly not me.”

Ten years ago, this man who I knew as a boy worked at a phone sales company alongside my abuser. I went there one day, trying to find my boyfriend, pregnant and in tears, I don’t remember about what. He wasn’t there, but this boy was. I asked him, “have you seen my boyfriend.” He said, “no,” he wasn’t in that day. I don’t know why, but in that moment, I broke down. I confessed. I told the man I knew as a boy how badly my boyfriend was treating me. How he hit me–and worse. And the man I knew as a boy replied,

“He actually seems like an alright guy to me.”

More men are complicit in this violence than you realize. We don’t want you to apologize for being men. We just want you to stop making us fear being women.

23 thoughts on “#MeToo Is For Men, And Also Not For Men–And That’s OK

  1. Wow,
    Sad.Very sad. I keep hoping that this model will soon die out. I keep thinking that males in their sixties and seventies are the ones who carry this torch but there is this rape culture that seems to be tied to colleges and bars and groups of men, that when alone, would not do or say the things they do when they are around their homies. Then there are the ones that feel they have the right to take what they want because they feel something and if they can’t get it honestly( which is a funny way of saying that because mostly they want sex and lie to get it), they use drugs or plain rape. Weinstein and Cosby come to mind. I don’t know if it will ever end.
    I’m sorry that you have gone through so much. I kind of understand the feeling of not wanting to be objectified. I had been sexually abused by my older half sister, which almost seems to have had a worse effect than the abuse I received from my dad and my brother and a male neighbor. My mom also crossed some major boundaries that completely screwed my head up. Because I am somehow amazingly rooted straight, I have panicked when women have come on to me. That has happened a lot. I’ve had women practically climb into my lap (as happened on a public bus) but it was never in a way that was violent. But it freaked me out.
    My first relationship was with an older woman who should have been locked up in a mental institution. When I left that relationship, I swore I would never be with another woman again. It wasn’t like your relationship, but it was a lot of mental abuse. She stalked me into my next relationship, which happened to be a Playboy playmate. I literally thought this woman would eventually kill me. She finally gave up.
    I think it is the older generation of males that have set the course for this abuse. I t wasn’t that long ago that women couldn’t vote. I think it’s a shame about how rape kits are processed, leaving thousands of these hard gained rape evidence kits laying fallow in some storage room because it is not a priority.
    I talked to a girl who is now going to school to become a therapist. She was raped. She waited, afraid to go through the process of being violated again by a stranger for evidence. This male that befriended her, lured her into a situation under the guise of friendship and raped her. She’s angry because he is still out there, possibly committing this crime again and again. All of those unprocessed rape kits have a treasure trove of information that could put many re-offending creeps behind bars. It’s still not a priority. I don’t know why. I think why I am on the side of these women is because I have been a abuse victim for 18 years.
    I think Wienstein is a start. I think that women have born the brunt of this abuse more than in any other industry, because looks are key to getting parts. I tried out for a part in a television movie for Susan Lucie, called “Mafia Princess.” I had just quit Labelle modeling school in Santa Barbara because I just was a lousy model but I had some cool looking jackets and moussed my hair and I guess I looked like a gumba. The guy who picked me to be an extra called me up later and propositioned me. Because of my issues I never went back and there went my t.v. career. This has led to weight issues at times, trying to hide in plain sight. I sometimes am angry because I don’t want to be attractive. I like it, but I also have issues with it because of the use of my body as a sexual torture landscape.
    My half sister was ten and I was five. There is a photo of us standing together the day after she abused me. I look like a tiny mouse standing next to her as she was about 3 feet taller than me. I am practically dislocating my shoulder so my body doesn’t have to touch hers. She was also mean. Which was the result of my father sexually abusing her as well. The work I’m doing with my female therapist is helping me handle attraction from women. I just keep repeating that it I am not a child and this is not abuse.
    Enjoyed the article. Spotlight (the movie) brought up this issue of abuse and the Catholic church. Men have suffered as well but are less likely to talk about it. I think pedophiles and rapists should be either killed or locked up for life. I volunteer for a group called HELP which is a service for seniors and the disabled. We had a guy on my bus who had abused a young girl and he was in his early eighties. I wore gloves because occasionally he needed me to pull him out of his seat. I wouldn’t allow his hands to touch mine. Nobody liked him. And of course he lived in this trailer, right next to the entryway, in this trailer park that was next to a K-6 grade school. I was getting ready to call it in when I found out he had died. Good riddance.
    Once again, sorry for all of your suffering. Hang in there.

    • I hesitated with the wording on that because I know some men do experience repeated, sometimes chronic sexual abuse, like what you’ve described here. And that’s awful. You do not deserve that by any means. So I in no way wish to belittle that trauma. I simply wanted to highlight that, even in comparison to men who experience multiple recurring major sexual traumas, women in general experience sexual violence as a norm–a woman could go through her life never experiencing anything as wholly traumatic as what you’ve experienced, but she will still likely live her life with at least some kind of credible fear of sexual assault, based on experiences of harassment that she’s had throughout her teenage and adult life (at least).

      I also just want to point out that in fact women in Hollywood are NOT higher targets because it’s a beauty industry. That is a misconception that we have a society because those are the stories that get told, share and heard. I pitched this, and I so hope I get to write it because it’s so important. “Ugly” women, and women in non-beauty industries are harassed and assaulted just as much. Hell, some of the worst things happen to women at factory jobs. So it’s *not* a Hollywood-centric thing, or something that happens more to the beautiful starlets in LA. We just hear their stories more because they are rich and enchanting.

      I’m sorry for your suffering too. Male, female, rich, poor, heard, or not…none of us deserve this violence.

  2. Good point. My therapist, whose father incested/raped her for 18 years told me the same as you mention. I actually gave her a a flashlight for Christmas that had a strobe on it because she had to walk through a dark parking lot to her car, as I did my female boss at HELP. as she is a jogger and runs in predawn darkness. I can’t imagine what it would feel like to fear that this is a possibility at any moment. I imagine you all prepare for that time, or for that event, and have to gird yourself mentally for that. You have experienced some pretty extreme events, so I understand your fear of leaving home.
    I think we have a long way to go with this issue. Unexamined rape kits are kind of an iconic underlining of what our society values as important. Women still take men’s names in marriage, though that is changing somewhat. I think what should be a necessity, is to teach girls to self defend. My therapist has a black belt in karate and is tall for a woman. My ex, the Playmate has a black belt, maybe a second degree belt in karate.
    I watched a video of a woman in an elevator. This skeevy guy gets in her personal space. The second time he gets more aggressive, she turns and beats the crap out of the guy. I enjoyed watching it. Keesha, in the current Rolling Stone, mentioned a time when a male touched her breast. She asked him if that was accidental or intentional. When the guy said he intended to do it, she punched him in the face. I think this violence has to be met head on with violence.
    I read a series in the L.A. Times about this sociopath who wormed his way into this family, seducing the mother and isolating her, eventually threatening her with financial peril if she didn’t give him what he wanted. When she decided to lawyer up and take him on, he decided to kill her shy daughter. The one that believed he actually liked her. He waited for her in this parking structure, a butcher knife hidden in a Taco Bell bag. He didn’t expect her to fight back and she fought like the Devil and turned the tables on him and got the knife away from him and killed him with it.
    I guess in these times, if I was a female, I would learn how to take a guy down fast. I would have mace on me at all times, with a tazer perhaps. I hope this doesn’t come across as blaming you. Just seems that there are so many assaults. Learning to fight dirty would be a way to level the playing field. I have put myself in a woman’s shoes and I would feel unsafe walking to my car at night, let alone taking out the trash at night. Or being alone in a house at night. Maybe you can educate me on this, as you are right about rape occurring to woman who aren’t super models.

    • Well so there are some problematic things here in what you’ve said, and some that I agree with.

      To lead with what I agree with: it is empowering for women who have been victimized (either personally or socially)…for that matter anyone who has been victimized…to exercise and learn self-defense. This knowledge alone takes care of some of the fear of being assaulted..not all of it, but it helps. When I was assaulted by a stranger in Colorado, the reason it was an attempted rape and not a completed rape was because my husband taught me some Brazilian jiu-jitsu. He’s not a blackbelt, but he’s won some medals at tournaments. He taught me some basic moves, and a friend from the military had also taught me a similar defensive move a couple years earlier. Also, my crazed PTSD rage. When I was being abused by my ex, I had never experienced anything like that. I had the freeze response, and there’s nothing shameful about that; it’s a natural response. But now that I have PTSD, and I hold so much rage in my body, I’ve discovered that when I am attacked, I essentially blackout and go nuts. If I ever killed an assailant, I would have a very good diminished capacity case because I truly lose all reason and have no recollection of the events. I have about a 60 second black out from that night, but my husband and I did our best to recreate what most likely happened based on my last and next memories, and it appears I did some of the moves he taught me. I don’t think I hurt the guy, but I put up enough of a fight that he decided to steal my phone and run away instead of raping me. When he saw me, I’m sure he pegged me as an easy target: a young, thin woman in a short skirt walking alone in the middle of the night, likely drunk (I was). He was a predator and wanted easy prey. When he didn’t get that, he gave up. I fully support women empowering themselves through martial arts, exercise, self-defense, etc.

      However, a nationwide program like this would be problematic for many reasons. First, it places the burden of prevent rape on women. It’s one thing for a woman to say she wants to get healthy and strong and learn to fight; it’s another to create an anti-rape program that focuses on teaching women to do anything. If an anti-rape program emerges from these awareness campaigns, as it should, it very much needs to focus on men. It needs to teach men not to rape; not women how to avoid being raped. The fact is, self-defense can help but it’s still not a guarantee. What about gang rape situations? What about highly intoxicated women (I was only a little tipsy, not wasted)? What about situations in which the woman trusts her assailant? What about a man who’s also a blackbelt? It just wouldn’t work…and it would promote the idea that the burden is on women, which is what’s wrong with the way our culture functions now. The burden needs to be on men. We don’t need to be teaching our women and girls how to fight off rapey men and boys; we need to teach men and boys how not to rape. And I say boys because this needs to start young. It starts with the idea that women’s bodies don’t exist to pleasure men. It starts with the idea that a beautiful woman is not a prize. If I’m going to be totally honest Steve, and I don’t mean to offend you because I appreciate that you read my blog and take the time to leave thoughtful comments, but even the way YOU talk about this Playmate you once dated–and the fact that you constantly refer to her that way–is a reflection of this attitude. It’s not your fault; it’s how men and boys are socialized. But that’s what needs to change, and it starts with the men today realizing it, changing it, and then teaching and exemplifying that change to the men of tomorrow. Whadaya say? On board?

      • Actually, to be honest with you, she refers to herself as a Playmate and is very proud of her work. She modeled for Helmut Newton as well as throughout Europe. I refer to her as a Playmate because I don’t want to mention her name. I have dated women who are considered normal looking. I actually like normal, preferentially to “model types.” I think women of all ages, and sizes are beautiful. I think lumping me into a category because I accidentally ended up dating a Playmate is not exactly fair, though I am not in a corner crying about it. Plus you didn’t know that this is how I came to meet her.
        I was a landscaper and she had been retired for ten years from Playboy and was living a quiet life in my town. She called me to give her a price on taking care of her yard. We fell in love and were together for seven years. End of story.
        I agree with you that the onus is on men but the reality of that changing any time soon seems to be a pipe dream. We still have a culture that protects athletes and warriors as these are time honored, male positions. Heroes. Who happen to sometimes believe that they are above the law and special and should be able to take what they want when they want it. Boys will be boys. That kind of thing.
        Weinstein may be a huge ripple that turns to a tsunami like wave of awareness about rape culture, about what women have gone through. I t could be the very thing that helps awareness rise about this, though we do have a rapist in chief right now and nobody seems to be upset about his abuses anymore.
        Teaching women to self defend, in my opinion, is not me saying that you should be responsible. I’m just saying that giving a woman tools to defend herself seems to be a good idea. I had hoped for a female president and felt it was time. I think this country is sitting on a festering pile of misogynistic, white male anger. And I am sad to say that this country is not ready for a female president because of these issues which have been there, though somewhat camouflaged. I was raised by my mom and see women as equals, as I have about seven female bosses and have no problem with that.
        I f I had a daughter, I would enroll her in self defense classes. What your boyfriend taught you saved you. This is a good thing. Teach women self defense and raising awareness with males about respect and honoring the feminine. Maybe these will chart a tandem course and blend together at some point. Men still are trying to control a woman’s body and her rights to be a woman and be considered equal. A lot of fear there. I am sad about that and hopeful that this will change at some point. Me too.

        • You misunderstood what I was saying about the girlfriend thing. Maybe it was my fault; I’m sick right now and probably not communicating as well as normal. You have every right to date and love or even just lust after a woman who models for Playboy, and she has every right to be proud of her career accomplishments. I was talking about the way you talk about her, her model status, and her appearance sometimes…without saying her name, you could call her your ex, but instead you call her the Playmate, and have referred to her sexiness is a psuedo-accusatory manner, “I went to a house filled with alcohol because she was a Playmate.” Even in this statement, there’s some iffy language,
          but I’m not trying to alienate you, just pointing something to out because you seem like someone who genuinely cares…but you may also not be ready to hear this or face this issue. I don’t know.

          Anyway, as I said, women empowering themselves is wonderful but I just think implementing that kind of program is sending the wrong kind of message. I also think that the only reason we’re “not ready” or that kind of change seems “impossible now,” is because men are choosing to make it impossible. I hope we get those ripples of awareness too, but honestly it’s only going to happen when men decide to face their culpability…all men, because all men have a role in this, even if some men have a smaller role than others, which I do acknowledge and believe.

          • Sorry that you’re sick. I thought about it and I do remember that she was very tight lipped about it. We talked over a period of 6 months before we hooked up and she hid the truth from me until right before we got involved. She thought I might not want to date her because of her past as a Playmate. I thought it was way cool.
            Unconsciously or consciously, referencing her as a Playmate is, in a sense, about my feelings that I can’t believe that I ended up with a model. Considering how I felt about myself and my feelings that I didn’t deserve this kind of special, there is a modicum of pride that a person with such low expectations of himself and terrible low self esteem, pulled this off. I do feel prideful about having had that one amazing life experience. I am a rape survivor and have had a lot of shitty, awful experiences. Pretty amazing to be with a woman that was craved by many and I ended up with her. So not sure what to think about this, though I will still reference her as the Playmate. Just to annoy you.
            I don’t know what part you don’t understand. I agree men are the problem but should women just sit around and not learn how to defend themselves? This is an ancient system that has been with us for quite some time. Men need to wake up change their behavior, I agree, but there is no leadership to support this. If a girl is raped by the son of some important official, ten times out of ten, the town turns against the girl and her family and they are chased out of town. And then ,more often than not, the girl commits suicide. Until things get better, women should be able to defend themselves. That Trump was elected after the things he had said is a statement about where we are concerning women and our treatment of them. It’s not safe out there. Why does it take so many women to prove that one man like Cosby, has been raping women for decades? Why can’t one voice be enough? I think the twenty somethings and younger will be the ones that start to make changes to this system. The youth are our only hope.

  3. BETTY, thanks for your empathy. I guess I just have to say I don’t have to worry about a woman climbing through my window to rape me, or being assaulted in a parking lot by a woman. It’s a whole different bag.

  4. If my comment can serve as a positive contribution I just want to add that this movement should be inclusive and not question whether it should be for men or not. Not all men have been sexually assaulted however most of us do feel the pain women feel after having been victims of any type of sexual assault. After all we too have daughters and sisters and nieces and mothers and cousins and daughters of good friends that we see and love as our own daughters and so we are concerned about what’s happening too, whether we know the victims or not.

    • I don’t mean this to be rude, but did you read the actual post? This honestly sounds like a knee-jerk response to the title without actually having consumed the content. Men should absolutely be involved in this movement because it’s ultimately up to men to stop the behavior. If you’re concerned about the women and girls in your life, refrain from this behavior and also call it out when you see other guys do it. Definitely–do that! This article is about using the #metoo hashtag, not about caring or fighting for feminism.

  5. I know women that have said #MeToo without having experienced sexual harassment in their lives. I know men that were continuously raped and abused. To use your experiences to say that “men” have no clue what’s it’s like to be continuously harassed but ALL women do is kind of stupid.

    What if I told a rape survivor that since she lived in a great neighborhood without catcalling, butt-grabbing, etc. – she could not hashtag #MeToo. I think you would agree that is pretty idiotic.

    Putting all that aside, this is being treated like a competition. And if it is, I would call out ALL the people from every side who hasn’t had it as bad as the worst. That you can’t say MeToo because women hashtagging it have experience more rape than you, and more harassment than you.

    I’m not sure why this is different.

    • You’ve got a big logical fallacy sitting smack in the middle of your argument and a ton of rude language which is literally the only criteria I ask of commenters when disagreeing with me–keep it respectful–but hell, I’ll reply this time. Why not? Firstly, can you ask the women you know who have not experienced sexual harassment in their lives to contact me if they’re willing? I’m really interested in hearing about their experiences. There’s so much sexual harassment in this world–from middle/high school boys teasing girls about their bodies and making sexual innuendos as they walk down the hall, to workplace harassment, to catcalling on the street, to aggressive “flirting” at bars or parties…it just goes on and on. I can’t imagine a lifetime as a female without experiencing it at all, but I want to be able to imagine that.

      Listen, these things don’t just happen in “bad neighborhoods.” If the #metoo movement has demonstrated anything, it’s that. If movie stars can be harassed and assaulted in ritzy hotels too swanky for me to even step foot in, then middle class suburbanites can too. It’s not just the ghetto or whatever you’re implying, and that’s exactly why #metoo is important.

      I’m not sure whether you only skimmed my post, but if you go back and look, I clearly state that if a man who has experienced assault finds that this moment gives him the courage to speak out about his abuse, then by all means–he deserves to have a voice and heal just like anyone. All I am asking is that men not usurp the larger conversation. While a boy who was raised by a pedophile certainly could have experienced continuous abuse–and that’s fucking terrible–it’s also true that when he grows up it isn’t into a society that elects a president who feels it’s okay to grab his cock without consent as he pleases. He won’t have to combat people who doubt his intelligence because his breasts are too large, or ignore rumors that his promotion was the result of who he slept with. Rape culture does affect men too; there are toxic ideals that men feel pressured by for sure (as I mentioned in the post). But there is a pervasive misogyny in our society that forces women to accept mild sexism as an everyday norm, often leaving us without the tools or sympathies necessary to combat egregious sexism.

      On an individual level, everyone deserves healing. I don’t have any problem with men who say #metoo as a way of sharing their personal experiences. I have a problem with the men who say #metoo as a way of discounting the wider female experience. Our culture normalizes sexual violence toward women–that’s a fact–and it’s not okay.

      • I apologize about the rude language.

        I guess what I’m struggling to understand is what makes the “larger conversation” about the constant harassment. I don’t recall seeing anything that pinpoints it at that – but at actual sexual misconduct.

        I’ve read the post, and understand there are differences between women as a whole and men as a whole. To answer your question, many religious folk go through women or men-only schools, and contrary to public opinion not everyone there is a molester. People with hijab’s report much less sexual misconduct; perhaps you can ask one of them.

        To assume that every women, everywhere, has faced *constant* sexual harassment is a conversation I’m afraid I have to step out of. If it helps, I’ve spoken to family members and friends that said they faced little to no harassment, thankfully.

        Back to the point, how can you assume it’s about constant harassment? The recent wave of it was about the Hollywood atrocities – and I don’t see how that relates in any way to “constant”.

        • Well god, constant sexual violence sounds terrible. I’m sure there are people who do experience that, knowing this world and how bad certain people in it can be, but I doubt very much it’s the majority. I certainly don’t experience constant sexual harassment. I’m sitting very pleasantly in my home right now not being sexaully harassed. If I did actually throw in the word constant in one of these comments, I’m sure it was hyperbolic.

          What I did say very seriously was that we live in a culture that normalizes sexual harassment and sees it as a common and perhaps even unavoidable experience. I suppose it’s possible that some nuns secluded in an all female monastery somewhere may never experience sexual harassment, and I’m certain there are people who experience it fewer than others, but I highly doubt there are many–if any–women (outside of, perhaps, a monastery or similarly secluded institution) who have experienced no sexual harassment in any form ever. Willingness to disclose it is something else. Some women choose not to…For example, if you find a post that’s called “Eight Everyday Experiences I Am SICK Of Having As A Female,” and scroll through the comments, you’ll find one woman who claims she’s never experienced anything remotely like that. Months later, she admitted to being a survivor of domestic violence. Being unwilling or unready to disclose these experiences doesn’t mean they haven’t happened.

          The #metoo movement is not about Hollywood. Its recent popularity was springboarded by the Hollywood scandals, but it quickly became its own thing–and yes, part of its purpose has been to show how very common the experience of sexual violence is among women. The point was for all women who had experienced sexual violence in some form–whether harassment or assault–to post #metoo as a means of viscerally showing just how many women have these experiences. Once it began, many women–and some men–took the opportunity to also discuss the details of their experiences, and embark on healing journeys. Which is great! Some sexual violence survivors became anxious and triggered by the whole thing, which is unfortunately. But as a whole, it was intended to showcase that these are common experiences. If it had anything to do with Hollywood, it was showing that those abuses are NOT secluded to media jobs.

          I’d also like to point out that reporting less sexual misconduct does not mean experiencing less sexual misconduct. There’s a difficult but enlightening guest post in my “Healing Words” section by a Muslim writer who describes exactly how Muslim women become specific targets of sexual misconduct, and why they often do not report it.

          • I’m sure. I didn’t mean constant, more like ‘often’ as you mentioned in your post.

            All I wanted to point out was that applying averages to individuals can be dangerous. That’s why I would be hesitant to say that in some ways, #MeToo isn’t for men. Because for all the male rape victims out there who have used the hashtag, I am sure there are women who have not been under the same badgering you claim the movement to be about.

            Saying that men on a whole have different experiences would be accurate. But with the different contexts #MeToo has been about, no one told actresses that they may have been under less frequent harassment because they were born rich. No one pointed at European victims using the same hashtag, saying that they haven’t been through the same president or culture Americans have.

            It seems to start and stop by men. I’m sorry, but I could make the same point you do about victims who haven’t been through rape – saying they don’t know the pain of those that have been, and that the movement should only be for those who experienced harsh, severe cases of sexual misconduct. I wouldn’t consider that right at all – and I think the same applies here.

            Saying men on average don’t have the same experience is a passive aggressive way of pointing at individuals, and saying they don’t belong. Does someone really have to go through defending himself for using the hashtag by saying the assaulter repeatedly violated him, and then STILL hear that he doesn’t *really* belong because he hasn’t been through ‘frequent’ harassment? On some arbitrary assumption that it’s about individual frequency, and nothing to do with severity?

            By Muslims, I agree they are less likely to report. I was leaning on personal friends who seem to be much less likely to be hit on on buses or on the street, but I don’t know the whole.

          • I feel like you’re missing my point and I don’t think that arguing back and forth will change that, so I don’t want you to feel badly about it, but I probably won’t respond after this.

            I don’t think that #metoo should be excluded from anyone on an individual basis, which is why the article is titled that #metoo is both for men, and not for men. Everyone deserves healing and catharsis from trauma–absolutely. Men can use this moment for that purpose too.

            But men should not use this moment to usurp the larger point–and I have seen some men attempt to do that, as I noted in the post. You seem to think that I am making a qualitative statement–as though the quality of a male rape survivor’s suffering is less than a female’s, which is why you keep making that comparison to rape vs harassment survivors. I don’t agree with that exclusion being made either. This isn’t a qualitative statement. Sexual violence is horrible for anyone who experiences it, and trauma is subjective, which means it’s impossible to judge the “badness” of one person’s experience by your own measure of the event.

            What I’m saying is that #metoo is specifically highlighting a problem that women as a whole experience. Maybe some individual women don’t, sure, but womankind is the target here–so we are all included. The #metoo movement is speaking on that issue–one which men are part of largely as perpetrators, not victims. So in that sense, it’s not for them. In the larger sense, the whole context of it.

  6. I know this is an old post but I need to say this. I think your stance is problematic for one reason. No one gives male victims the benefit of the doubt. They automatically assume he is using the hashtag with malicious intent instead of just assuming he is trying to find his voice. I am too afraid to use #metoo as a way to tell anyone what happened to me, even though I’d like to. I have been quiet about being raped. I will have to continue being quiet.

    I have repeatedly seen male victims work up the courage to use #metoo, simply stating what happened to them without commentary, only to be accused en masse of usurping a movement that’s not for them. They’re mocked. Do you know how painful that is? I know it would break me if it happened, so I’m scared to even try using #metoo. I already know I’ll be attacked for telling my truth.

    You say male victims can use it if they need to heal, but if we try, we get attacked. By putting a qualifier on when we’re allowed to use it, you essentially disallow us from using it at all because you open the door to questioning our motives. And there will always be times when people arrive to the wrong conclusion about our motives. If that happens and even one male victim is attacked for sharing his experience, the damage done to him will be real. It could be dangerous. Most suicides are male, after all. So, for the sake of male victims’ well-being and maybe their lives, shouldn’t we just allow anyone to use the hashtag without qualifiers?

    It would be nice, but it’s not like that. Currently, male victims aren’t allowed to speak. #metoo is not for us. Those who support the movement don’t want us to have a voice. Society doesn’t want us to have a voice. Anyone who defends us or tries to help us is accused of trying to do something malicious. If we were to attempt to start a hashtag just for male victims, it would be attacked as excluding female victims. People would say it wasn’t an appropriate time because #metoo needs to be the focus. The bottom line is we don’t matter to anyone. What happened to us doesn’t matter. What we have to say doesn’t matter. It’s never our time, it’s never our hashtag. I know you don’t think that’s what you’re saying. You might even truly feel like we do matter. But your stance is supporting a system of activism that silences and excludes us.

    The woman who raped me will never be punished. I know it was rape even though no one calls it that. Being made to penetrate someone else isn’t considered as bad by other people. Even though it’s still sex without consent. It’s not legally classified as rape in most places. The CDC and feminist movement don’t call it rape (probably on purpose, but that’s another conversation). Meanwhile, my life is ruined and I will never be normal again. No one cares, though. I’m not allowed to talk about it. At every turn of my experience, what I’m allowed to do or call myself is questioned. Sometimes I even question myself and whether or not I’m just too stupid to figure out why no one out there thinks she raped me, why my experience of being raped is less important than a girl getting cat called, if I even deserve to use a hashtag. I don’t think that’s right or fair, but your stance, and that of those who agree with you, is helping to force me into the position I’m in, and the millions of men like me, too.

    Can’t I please just use a hashtag without the presence of qualifiers that would open the door to people questioning my motives? I’m not trying to change any conversations. I just want to state this horrible thing happened to me. And if anyone cared, then maybe I could talk to them and maybe they’d be a little more willing to listen to me because of the general mood of the hashtag. Maybe I would matter for a little while. Long enough to say something and maybe find someone to help. Maybe that’s wrong, though. Maybe my motives are problematic. I don’t think you’d say so, but if someone else judges that they are, then that’s it. That’s what qualifiers enable. Even though you say I could use #metoo, I know what happens when men try. I’ll just keep quiet. Healing isn’t for men and neither is #metoo.

    PS: I think a very real and very kind thing feminists could do would be to start and support a hashtag just for male victims. Any men who try are automatically accused of being MRAs and so they’re never successful. It would be a very gracious gift to victims who are often ignored and very disadvantaged when it comes to honest conversation and consideration.

    • First, I’m sorry for what happened to you. Rape is rape regardless of genders, and rape is traumatic no matter the circumstances. But please don’t project your negative experiences with other people onto me. I have given thoughtful, valid reasons for my opinion, and they did not in any way include attacks against you or questions of your motives. It is, however, a fact that some men are using the hashtag in a malicious way. It’s also a fact that some men who use the hashtag legitimately are unintentionally stepping into a conversation that is not about them. #MeToo is not about rape and sexual assault; it’s about the systemic sexual oppression of women in a culture that, as a whole, supports the sexual abuse and appropriation of female bodies. Rape and sexual assault are included in that conversation, but they do not constitute the totality of it. What I’ve said here was that if male rape survivors find that this moment grants them the courage to speak up about their own experiences, then they absolutely should do that. You don’t need a hashtag to talk–but #MeToo is about women’s experiences. Your postscript is actually a great idea, though no need to wait on feminists to create a hashtag for you–you are empowered to do that yourself! I absolutely agree that male rape is not always taken seriously, that male sexual assault survivors experience their own form of silencing via toxic masculinity/rape culture, and that there should be a movement dedicated to men speaking out against their own abusers. But I do think it needs to be separate, because women have been systemically oppressed in a way men have not. Women have experienced systemic sexual abuse in a way men have not. Women need and deserve an opportunity to speak without being forced to consider the thoughts and feelings of men. Right now, we have that opportunity. Just as the Black Lives Matter movement does not mean it’s okay to murder white people, the Me Too movement does not mean it’s okay to rape men. It just means we are highlighting an issue that goes beyond individual experiences; we are bringing to light a deeply embedded, systemic sexism that has been harming women for–literally–centuries.

      Yes–you deserve a movement too. You deserve a movement that focuses on your experience, and the hows and whys behind male silence. It’s not fair to you or to the women involved in MeToo to share the hashtag. Male sexual assault survivors need and deserve your own–but creating that is not a job for “feminists.” It’s a job for male sexual assault survivors. Yes, speaking up is scary. Now is not the right time for everybody; it may not be the right time for you–only you know that. But I guarantee that speaking up was scary for the women who pioneered #MeToo as well. Sparking a movement like this requires immense courage. Besides the fact that feminists do not owe men anything, this type of movement will only ring true and take off if it’s started by someone who genuinely experienced it.

      I think this guest post by another male survivor of sexual assault explains it really well, maybe even better than I did: http://www.bettysbattleground.com/2018/01/29/metoo-male-perspective/

      • Male victims, and I choose to use “victim” not “survivor” because I haven’t yet even been granted the basic decency of being recognized as a victim, have tried to speak out and create hashtags. But we do not get the same support female survivors do, as you know. Men would like to be able to use #metoo because we are not allowed to have our own hashtag. Why? Because every attempt is sabotaged by outside forces. Feminists (in a general sense) are very fond of saying they’re fighting for male victims too, but any time there’s a chance for them to do something concrete to help they say it’s not their job. They say feminists don’t owe men anything. Worse yet, efforts focusing on male victims have been historically derailed by feminists because they think it’s taking focus away from female victims. Well, this is very frustrating to me. Is feminism meant to help men too or not? Bottom line, I am actually not empowered. My power is taken from me from all directions, by those who claim to be helping and by those who don’t believe me. I am not only scared, I am mentally and physically exhausted and I do not have the ability to withstand this. It would be nice if someone who had more resources and more clout would actually help. Again, men who try to do these things are immediately accused of being MRAs by feminists, so their efforts are discredited and can’t get off the ground. I feel like that’s something that seriously needs to be addressed before male victims can be called empowered, or asked to start their own hashtag. I know you’ll say that early feminists had to fight, and that’s true, but why force male victims to go through it as well? Feminists are now in a position of social advantage comparatively to male victims, so why not lend a helping hand? Feminists may not “owe” men anything, but we are not asking for something with a sense of entitlement. We’re requesting assistance from a movement that has more advantages than ours. Feminism did that too when it was growing. Personally, I see nothing wrong with it. If I’m on a boat and see a drowning person, I could throw them a life vest, or better yet, pull them on board. We should all be helping one another. Until people are ready to allow such a movement for men to exist without attempts by the majority to destroy it, then there’s nothing male victims can really do without assistance.

        As you may or may not have picked up on, I support feminism, but I’m torn on the movement. I absolutely think all people should have the same rights, and I agree with feminist goals. I also see that the movement doesn’t do what it says. I am torn because in the same breath it says it wants to help everyone, feminism also says it owes men nothing and it won’t assist them where they need help. Not only that, but it actively seeks out and destroys the efforts of male victims who try to help themselves if they do not make women’s concerns their primary focus. What am I supposed to do with a movement I agree with when it also actively harms me? It’s confusing.

        The whole issue here is the lack of a “men’s movement.” One of two things happens when a men’s movement arises: it gets absorbed by feminist groups who then turn around and say that they don’t owe men anything and that male victims are on their own; or, the group is declared MRA in nature and feminists sabotage it and destroy it. Remember the Canadian men’s shelter? I do think a great many feminists would agree it was wrongfully attacked. Either way, it goes back to square one for men like me. No voice, no help. I’m fine with the first scenario, so long as the movement is allowed to continue to exist as being for men. However, that hasn’t yet happened. We’re stuck in this negative feedback loop, and so the simplest way to escape it would be for well-known feminist groups to support such a hashtag. It’s been incredibly difficult to find any that do not immediately object to the hashtag merely existing. It’s also incredibly difficult to get any feminists to address this ongoing issue honestly and seriously.

        Also, don’t misunderstand, I don’t think you are personally attacking anyone’s motives or intentions. However, your stance opens the door for those who would attack male victims to justify their attacks. Regardless of whether or not the overall conversation is about male victims, there are men who need the support the hashtag provides, and there is nowhere else for them to get it. You seem amenable to them using it, but I have seen countless people who are not and attack these men who are only sharing their experiences. I think wanting the matters to be separated is fine, if I’m honest. I agree that sharing is unfair, especially to the victims of sexual assault and harassment who are being attacked. It’s far from ideal to share. However, I also understand using the only tool available when there’s nothing else to do the job. My main objection to your stance is that these men are attacked and no one is willing to provide an alternative.

        Case in point: your guest writer hasn’t figured out a way to solve this issue, either. He said we need our own movement, but I don’t see that he provided any route forward. I didn’t see any ideas on his website, either. There was no alternative offered. I didn’t see any place where people could have discussions, though I might have missed it. He merely paid lip service to the idea. So, what happens then? We stay out of #metoo and continue suffering in silence. Okay. Second, he insinuates that men like me are upset about the lack of support for men using #metoo because we hate women. I think I have been pretty clear that the only reason I’m upset is because we have no support, no way to get it, and we are attacked, judged and frowned upon for using the only tool at our disposal. I would have no issues with your opinion if that were not the case.

        I have a few questions now, if you have time. You think the hashtag for men is a good idea, but would you support it? Would you defend it when it is inevitably attacked, even if those attacking it were your compatriots, just as I am expected to defend feminism against those who doubt it? Would you support a man like me, or your guest author, if we were to try? Would you support male victims having a movement focused only on them? Would you tell those who object that we are not trying to take a voice away from women simply by trying to speak on our own? Or would you only say that you don’t owe men anything and leave it to fail as all other attempts have? Feminism had people who supported it and helped it along. It didn’t get out of the stage of constant failure magically. People, women and men both, worked hard and supported one another. Do you feel asking for feminist support is wrong and entitled? I’m not sure what your specific answers would be, of course, but I have been told countless times that male victims are on their own and feminists won’t and shouldn’t help them. But they all seem to think I should support feminism (which I do). Seems a little hypocritical, doesn’t it? I’m upset because I’m here offering my support, but no one is willing to do the same for me.

        I suppose for me, it boils down to another question: thank you for supporting the idea of men having their own movement, but, how do you think we can do that alone while people who say they support us simultaneously tear us down?

        Overall, I support the idea behind #metoo being for women, but I also see the damage being done to people who need help but are being denied it. Until there are alternatives for men, I think a victim’s voice should be welcome without question, because you can welcome all victims while also focusing on the overall conversation. This is why I disagree with your stance, and why I believe it is problematic. If there were comparable support and resources for male victims, I would wholeheartedly agree with you.

  7. Men who get abused can’t be generalized as a single incident, maybe the men you spoke with talk about one time in particular but for many of us it can happen as patterns. Language around minimization of male victim trauma is tragically normalized. For me it was hooking up with an unstable person in my first year of university because of expectations that I as a man should desire playful casual sex. We became roommates as friends but she switched on me, as was her pattern, and I became her enemy. I moved out with a black eye. Play with a childhood friend who went on to become a professional dominatrix left me feeling lonely and ashamed. I reached out to an estranged friend’s ex who I was pretty sure would have sex with me because as a man that is what is supposed to make me feel better. We ended up moving in together but got kicked out of a bunch of houses because she would get into loud fights with the landlords and with me. She created fake Facebook accounts and used them to invent drama, I became more and more detached from family and lost most of my friends during the year and a half we were together. I couldn’t leave her for myself, I thought I could handle her and maybe help her, but I had to for my friends and family. My grandparents sold their cottage and I was told that it was because they thought it was gross that her and I had stayed there. I had a couple short relationships afterward but had become accustomed to unhealthy closeness, which I eventually found.

    Now as a professional street performer women frequently invite themselves to touch me. Last night I watched a young muscular black man from a big city sing about having sex with strangers, it wasn’t exactly a rave review. We’re told what to desire and what is healthy, and are usually left to find out for ourselves, then dumped into a world with no forum for us (men’s health? Men’s rights? Both disgusting). Then we see our struggles invalidated invalidated by a women’s movement who want to make it very clear that our suffering is lesser, this is to no one’s benefit.

    Female comfort seems like a defensible reason to keep male struggles out of the conversation. Minimization of the male experience is not, and you don’t know very much about it because we’re not supposed to talk about it.

    I’m sorry for everything you’ve been through because it sounds very difficult and I admire your baravery for speaking about it here.

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